[Closed] Admin complaint

[Joshua Graham]

Just the other minute I was banned by someone for "spamming", or that's what they told me shortly before banning me.
I don't know who it was. There were several admins online when that happened.

I double made sure that the rules don't prohibit chatting with other players.
In allowed section I found:
"Political discussions (As long as it doesn't derail into a racist / extremist discussion)."

I wasn't racist, I wasn't extremist.
The moment I got banned was when I was discussing jobs.
That's it. Jobs. 9-5 jobs.
Why ban then?
This makes zero sense to me.

I was both playing and discussing so I wasn't taking up a slot.
I wasn't insulting. So that wasn't the problem either.

I don't actually know why I was banned.
To me it seems as if someone was on a power trip. Or didn't like me. Whatever.

Please I would like an explanation.

[Montgomery]

You were indeed temp banned for spamming that chat after a warning by another admin. Admittedly, I would not have banned you for that myself but that's because most of what you were saying was directed at me and I don't care enough to stop that, however, had it been about another player or admin, I likely would've given you the same warning that was given to you by that admin.

The content of the discussion wasn't the main problem, it was the spamming even when no one was replying to you. If you had been permabanned or muted then your complaint would've been fully valid but as you were given a warning by an admin to stop but then you continued and were then banned, I see no reason to do anything about this.

In conclusion, I wouldn't have banned you myself but the admin in question didn't do anything wrong either. Your temp ban is already over as I'm writing this, so I'll see you in-game again and maybe next time take the admin warning seriously.

[Joshua Graham]

You liar.
No one was replying me?
Oh my God.

Since fucking when is discussing against the rules?

I would like someone who is not friends with server admins to take a look into this.
Because Montgomery is not objective.

[Gretel]

Hello Joshua,
I take any complaint written here seriously and will look into the above issues with the owner shortly.

I'll look into the logs myself, as everything is recorded in full there, and reply to you with my own thoughts, probably by tomorrow morning - beacause real life.

[Gretel]

After reading into the logs, i've come to the conclusion of the following:

1: I wouldn't have punished for this myself, as I would generally ignore chat.

2: You were chatting all day, so fair enough, but were (for the majority of time) just talking to yourself.

In conclusion, this is a non issue to me. Discussing isn't against the rules, attempted inciting in chat, which in some cases you were, can be viewed as an act of misconduct in the eyes of some. However, to me personally, I don't care. The Admin Guidelines are clear in the regards of this and the admin just did what they were told there. But nontheless, we have noted your feedback in regards to the situation and I will make the admin team aware, which Bethrezen has actually already done himself.

View me as a friend or foe to Montgomery, view this as an inadequate answer - it is entirely up to yourself.

[Joshua Graham]

This should have been in the rules.

Anyway, I don't care anymore either.
So there won't be a next time, Montgomery.
I bet you would love to invent a reason for banning me again.
Well you won't get it.

[Gretel]

Like all great "contracts" we have this nice little clause at the bottom, to avoid a massive forum post that no one would read because it's too long:

Common sense applies to all of the above. If you are hindering a players gameplay, then you are likely to be punished for doing so. It is down to admin discretion upon how they wish to enforce these rules,within our Admin Guidelines provided to them upon receiving their admin. If you feel you have been punished wrongly, please post an unban request OR a complaint in the appropriate forum here. 

If I were to write every scenario under the sun into the rules, it'd be an extremely long list so we have to generalise there - regardless, Rule 2 of "not allowed" can cover this scenario too if we really wanted to. And before anyone mentions "it's not in-game rules either" - it has a character limit so it directs you to the forums here.

Anyway, as you said yourself you don't care, so I guess everything is sorted then.

[Joshua Graham]

And to think I was going to donate to the server.
Good thing I didn't.

[Gretel]

what an utter travesty, I'll donate on your behalf   

[Gretel]

Anyways, guilt tripping or whatever you want to call what you're doing isn't going to change just how utterly trivial this is or what my opinion prior was.

Thread locked and god speed friend.