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Unban - Joshua Graham - 07-10-2020
Your in-game name (your name at the time of the ban/mute): Jaime_Lannister
Your GUID (optional):
Date and hour of your ban/mute (UTC/GMT) - (DD/MM/YY): Today
Reason for your ban: [b]
"Since we've noticed you have two in-game accounts, GUIDs 2114371 and 2132029, with the following punishments:
2114371: 3 slays, 1 temp ban
2132029: 1 slay, 1 kick, 1 temp ban, 1 mute
[/b]
these amounting to a total of:
3 slays, 1 kick, 2 temp bans, 1 mute
[b]we have decided to permanently ban both. Trying to avoid punishments by creating additional accounts, has and will keep making it worse."[/b]
Write your apology: It wasn't fair in the slightest so no apologies.
Here's the thing:
I left the server because I was pissed at these 3 slays and 1 temp. The slays were given by Cookie unfairly yet no one did anything about it. No one cared to even listen.
The temp was given by I don't even know whom?
I didn't report the slays because I had been told by some admin that: "well if you have no evidence we will believe admins first" which translates to: "report as much as you want, we will not do anything about it". That's why I didn't report it.
Bruh, you can read that in logs. This is what I've been told.
People were complaining about him ALL THE TIME! That is something you can find in logs AS WELL!
If you are willing of course.
The first slay was for kicking my teammates. Actually, what really happened was that the guy was blocking the way and almost made me die. I kicked him to get him out of the way because I didn't know if he was doing that on purpose or went afk. He got out of the way (turned out he wasn't afk, a bit clueless apparently) and I jumped out from behind the wall to go and melee enemies. Before I reached anyone though, I got slayed by Cookie who "saw everything". I told him "wtf he almost got me killed" and he was like "no he was afk, you went to him, kicked him and ran the other way." Lol no that did not happen. The slay was unfair and shouldn't be counted against me.
The second slay was for opening the gate as a defender. That would be fair. Only the round had just begun and it was the inner gate (the map was custom map 21) just to let everyone out faster. You know, just to make getting to the outer walls more convenient then running around and getting stuck on these walls because there were so many of us.
I intended to close the gate after I let everyone out. However, it wasn't long before I got slayed.
My argument is obvious. Opening that gate isn't going to be detrimental to the defending team.
His argument? "There is no reason you would have to open it". Bruh. Maybe you're right. But that doesn't justify the slay. I mean ffs. None of us is in the wrong here therefore that slay is out of place. And ffs, if there really isn't any need for defenders to open any gates at any times, then:
1. Why isn't that in the rules?
2. Why isn't there a script preventing defenders from opening gates?
So that slay wasn't fair either.
The third slay I don't remember at all. It would be just like him to slay me for no goddamn reason but I won't really tell you about that. If you'd please find out what that slay was for because I have my reasons to believe that it wasn't fair, just like the previous two.
As said before, I was told by some other admins that "we will believe an admin first" so I just kind of didn't bother reporting them. I bet that if I did the slays would be brushed under the rug and perhaps even held against me now as "spamming the forum with false accusations". Well, we'll see how you respond to it now. Maybe you will indeed take it seriously and I was wrong not to report him before? Maybe I was right because you wouldn't do anything anyway? We'll see.
The straw that broke the camel's back was the temp ban. That was that. It was so unfair that I reported it. I was kind of afraid that it will be to no avail but I did it anyway.
Well. Nothing came out of it. I got temped for something that is not in the rules here: https://nwpublic.eu/thread-48.html
and then my complaint was brushed under the rug. Because we are smart and ban people for things that they don't know aren't allowed.
The report topic: https://nwpublic.eu/thread-206.html
Maybe it was in fact not an admin that was to blame. In that case it is the person writing the Server Rules topic. Whoever it is to blame, I did not deserve to be temp banned and thus it shouldn't be counted against me.
It kind of sucked. Because I got punished for something that some admins wouldn't punish me for and the thing was brushed aside anyway. I mean what stupid rule is enforced by some and isn't by others? Clearly the rule (that isn't available to my eyes, in case you've forgotten already) is not clear enough and can be too loosely interpreted, depending on how bad an admin's day was.
I won't hide my disappointment. I don't even know words that would describe it... It was just sssooooo unfair...
I left the server. Just got so pissed that I said fuck these losers I am out of here.
One day I thought of coming back. I logged in using my original steam account that I had no access to a couple of months before. I found a way of getting it back in May.
Let's go through the punishments, that is, 1 slay, kick, temp, and mute.
1 slay - I was placing tnts on custom map 2. I didn't understand why and kept placing them trying to kill enemies. He eventually temped me. I later found out that tnts cost BP which I immediately realised is against the rules. The admin didn't tell me it is a waste of bp, only that placing tnts isn't allowed and nothing more. Hence why I didn't stop after a slay. But I found out on my own and since then haven't placed a single tnt.
Now the kick. I don't know what that was for?
And the mute. That was well-deserved. I was toxic in chat and so the mute.
All in all, that will amount to 1 slay, 1 temp and 1 mute. Because only they were deserved. Although I would argue that there is no strict rules about tnts and people place them all the time when admins are around and no one does anything. Other than when I did it, not a single admin has ever said "placing tnts is against the rules". Never. So just kind of confused. It should have been explained that tnts cost BPs or something. It's not like you can place them on every map. And as I said. People place them ALL THE TIME. So.
Now I got perm banned the moment you found out about the fact that I had another account in the past. Or I think that's the reason. Well I don't know. Bethrezen is blowing hot and cold about it. At one time he said it's just because of all the slays, temps etc. At another time he said it is because having more than 2 accounts is against the rules. (Which rules by the way? I don't see anything here: https://nwpublic.eu/thread-48.html) He doesn't seem to know exactly why he permed me.
Either way. If it's for multiple accounts - no such thing in the rules. I got banned for something I had no way of knowing. The ban is unfair. If it's for the total number of punishments - many of them are unfair. They shouldn't count as they have been given for no/dubious reasons.
I honestly don't have my hopes high. I reported an admin once and nothing. It's been brushed away because "it is trival". Well unfortunately for me it isn't trival because now I am perm banned for it. Perhaps you won't double disappoint me and this time you will take me seriously. I don't think you will but hope springs eternal.
I really hope you will take it seriously though. Because how does one punish someone for something they didn't know wasn't allowed? I am so upset about it...
RE: Unban - Gretel - 07-10-2020
I will reply to you not as an admin, but as the owner would reply to you. I am not the owner, but can speak for him when he is unavailable, like he is currently.
I can understand there is frustrations with slays etc and being muted. However, these things happen for a reason. If they happen for no reason, then we will react accordingly, if we are told about the problem. No one can expect me, or anyone else, to sive through the logs daily, checking in on our 40+ admins on what they say and do. There is no way for me to react if we aren't told of it.
Quote:I didn't report the slays because I had been told by some admin that: "well if you have no evidence we will believe admins first" which translates to: "report as much as you want, we will not do anything about it". That's why I didn't report it.This is what I refer to. On the note of "we will believe admins first", someone could have very well said that to you that is an admin, however, they do not dictacte my actions or the senior administrators actions. They are done solely internally in our own channel on discord - which we discuss in great length about various issues that arise on our server. It is like a court, without the jury. The decisions made are for the best interests of the majority - not always is this for the case of the player. There will be times, like this entire scenario that has played out the past few weeks, where the player disagrees. I point you to my message posted on discord, publically:
"This is a [i]private[/i] server, owned by people who put their own money and time into running it. We are not here to babysit you and write rules for every scenario under the sun. If you think you are entitled to this kind of thing, you are more than welcome to create your own domain to do such things. We place [i]a lot[/i] of time into complaints and making the server a better place, entirely for free, so we should not be subject to have to answer your every whim because you didn't get the answer [b]you[/b] wanted to hear.
... I do not dismiss complaints or feedback, only if they are unfounded or going to waste my time for no reason."
Contrary to popular belief, I am an adult and have a job. I do not have the time, or effort, to come home to consistent drama over something so silly, in some cases.
I will now clean up some of your problems here.
Quote:People were complaining about him ALL THE TIME! That is something you can find in logs AS WELL!Cookies is no longer an admin in our team; none of these issues were ever reported to us and the one time it was, I took appropriate action. I do not wish to delve into it publically, but this is not the whole picture of why he is no longer an admin.
If you are willing of course.
Quote:The first slay was for kicking my teammates. Actually, what really happened was that the guy was blocking the way and almost made me die. I kicked him to get him out of the way because I didn't know if he was doing that on purpose or went afk.Mistakes happen, we are people, not robots. The admins are told to act upon what they see. This, however, doesn't mean they always react upon that. I can't watch them all personally so there is a degree of trust there.
Quote:"no he was afk, you went to him, kicked him and ran the other way."This isn't allowed if true; as kicking does no damage, so if they are AFK it is fine for you to kick them - if they are not inside the fort or somewhere you'd make them die. And before it is mentioned; no this extremely specific scenario is not listed in the rules. It is vaguely described as teamhitting there; as I can't (as addressed in your previous complaint you dismissed me over) write a huge post with every scenario for you to read. It needs to be concise and quick to read, with all the main rules and scenarios covered. These rules have worked extremely effectively, with barely any change, for over 5 years.
Quote:Only the round had just begun and it was the inner gate (the map was custom map 21) just to let everyone out faster.
Another valid thing to do for you. These problems have been addressed in the past and some new admins still fall victim to it when our internal admin chat records it. They did so without thinking. But again, it wasn't reported, so I can't address it at the time without knowing.
Quote:2. Why isn't there a script preventing defenders from opening gates?I will explore avenues to fix this, if the games engine allows it.
Quote:I bet that if I did the slays would be brushed under the rug and perhaps even held against me now as "spamming the forum with false accusations".Nope. There is a lot of complaints on our old website, which had very positive outcomes for players. Many admins have been removed, whom I won't name, for abuse. Those complaints are still in an archive of our old forum OR they were done via a PM to me directly.
You, however, did spam the forum, even after being told no. We have had 1000s of posts here and old forum combined, and not one scenario played out like yours. If you can't follow a template OR simple instructions, we will dismiss you. As you clearly don't care, if you are literally deleting the template provided in the post BEFORE you even type anything. I did warn you, your account should have recieved a warning, you were also warned under the posts, but you continued. If you handled this in a manner befitting of everyone else who has used these forums, it wouldn't have been an issue. You probably would have been unmuted eventually, given time.
Quote:Maybe I was right because you wouldn't do anything anyway? We'll see.
That is a matter of your opinion again. You may disagree, I may agree, another senior may agree with you, it's life. You can choose to believe as you wish; heck, you might even skip over most of what I write like you did last complaint.
Quote:and then my complaint was brushed under the rug.
As stated previously; you were not brushed under the rug. We had a long discussion in our internal chat, we replied to you, but you brushed our responses under the rug because it wasn't exactly as you envisioned the reply. We even took action, as stated in your complaint, to the admins saying we agree with you. But nope, you brushed it under the rug. Ironic.
Quote: I mean what stupid rule is enforced by some and isn't by others?
The admin guidelines are that, a guide, they tell an admin what to do given a group of scenarios. But, you can't always apply that to every scenario. The unfortunate thing is, i'm not writing the law here, so I wont make a 10000 page guide on everything and make every admin take the bar before they can admin. Some people are leniant by nature, some are heavy handed and just want the person gone. I don't know how old you are, or what your experiences are in life, but this is a common attribute you'll learn in the work place and, generally speaking, the real world. Some police men may give you a ticket, some may give you a warning. Who really knows?
Quote:Now I got perm banned the moment you found out about the fact that I had another account in the past. Or I think that's the reason. Well I don't know. Bethrezen is blowing hot and cold about it.Yep, you were banned for using multiple accounts, to circumvent a punishment. I hope that is clear enough for you.
Quote:(Which rules by the way? I don't see anything here: https://nwpublic.eu/thread-48.html)Hmmm, I don't know if you're joking here. You attempted to circumvent a punishment by using another account. You then, as the singular person attached to both accounts, are accountable for the punishments collectively as the 1, therefore, you share the punishment if you are found out.
In conclusion;
You as a person confuse me. You seem to say we brush things under the rug, but yet do the same yourself when replied to. You then spam the forums with topics, after being warned several times to stop, to be unmuted etc. You then write another complaint, basically saying we don't care and you don't think it'd do anything, but do so anyway - and I don't think anything I say will land on your ears as a positive answer to something you wish to hear.
This is a private server, I and many others place money and their time here on a regular basis, even after just finishing an 11 hour shift I am here typing this answer to you. How can you say I don't take this place or my players seriously? This server has lasted 5 years due to the good management (and no im not patting myself in the back, i've only been here for the last 3 years) over the years. There are many people involved with keeping this server in it's current state, and frankly, I'm proud of them. Mistakes are made, but many things are fixed internally and not on the outside - so you may not see the impact of your complaint directly. I do not make such things public knowledge, for fear of me "punishing" the admins showing to a player that the admins are bad. I will say this, an announcement was made to the admins today on the situation, I will not specify, but it will help them in the future avoid such drama and consistent messages over something like this.
You can read what I have said here and take as you will. I will, infact, even allow you to reply to me - against the wishes of many, because I believe in chances and always give chances. Do not disappoint me in return, as I have placed a great amount of time into this response.
RE: Unban - Joshua Graham - 07-10-2020
Lol.
I did NOT circumvent ANY PUNISHMENT! Because I was TEMP BANNED FOR AN HOUR!!!!
The account WASN'T BANNED!!!!
Do you understand????
As for the rest of your points, I will reply once you stop blaming me for avoiding a non-existent punishment or whatever.
And in case it's not clear: I want to be unbanned because I didn't deserve a perm ban.
RE: Unban - Gretel - 07-10-2020
One thing you've made very clear to me is you don't want to read everything, only the parts you want to disagree with. I wrote a multitude of things, but you chose to read that one thing I may have very well been incorrect with, dismissing the rest with a "lol, you dont understand".
I even mentioned you'd ignore my reply and sweep it under the rug, as you said yourself when I replied before and said I swept you under the rug. Ironic. It's a waste of time. Talking to a brick wall at least warrents the echo of your own voice. I mentioned at the start I was doing so not as an admin, but here as the owner to reply to your concerns. But you dismissed me, as you say I did to you.
I'm done here; a senior admin will see your unban as seen fit.
RE: Unban - Joshua Graham - 07-10-2020
I read everything.*
But it's crucial that you drop that chip off your shoulder and stop accusing me of circumventing a ban.
If you keep accusing me of that, then there is basically no point in me replying to everything as in the best case scenario I will be told to f off. Because you won't care to look upon the case objectively - that is, admit that the lion's share of my punishments are unfair and thus should be basically crossed out as if I had never been given them.
+ Everything I said in the first post is true and to the best of my knowledge/memory. Do I really have to belabour the points I have already made?
But all right. I will respond because why not. I don't want you to think that I am being dismissive towards you.
Quote:No one can expect me, or anyone else, to sive through the logs daily, checking in on our 40+ admins on what they say and do. There is no way for me to react if we aren't told of it.Fair enough. Only when you were told about that https://nwpublic.eu/thread-206.html I kind of didn't feel as if you had done justice there. I mean you say that you agree with me, but on the other hand, you keep counting that temp against me. So? If you could make yourself clear on that I would be grateful.
It's not that I haven't heard what I wanted and that is the problem; Your answer was so ambiguous, it was almost as if you didn't want to be specific on the matter. Hence my anger.
Because in situations like this, you either approve or disapprove of them. You didn't do either.
To my eye, you tried to defend the admin. Now it turns out you had actually agreed with me. See my confusion and distrust?
Quote:The decisions made are for the best interests of the majority - not always is this for the case of the player.Kind of ambiguous.
Quote:There will be times, like this entire scenario that has played out the past few weeks, where the player disagrees.I believe you're referring to the mute thing.
I take it on the chin. I was toxic, the mute was deserved. Period.
Quote:I do not have the time, or effort, to come home to consistent drama over something so silly, in some cases.I hope that by "so silly" you don't mean a player getting perm banned?
Quote:none of these issues were ever reported to usThey are reported now.
Quote:but this is not the whole picture of why he is no longer an admin.If he was I would immediately log out and never return. It was a pleasant surprise to find him not to be an admin anymore. That's the major reason why I stayed and played for the past month or so.
Quote:Mistakes happen, we are people, not robots. The admins are told to act upon what they see. This, however, doesn't mean they always react upon that. I can't watch them all personally so there is a degree of trust there.I see that. However, mistakes cannot go unnoticed, and if grave, unpunished, can they?
Quote:This isn't allowed if true; as kicking does no damage, so if they are AFK it is fine for you to kick them - if they are not inside the fort or somewhere you'd make them die.Let's get this straight: kicking afks is allowed? Unless doing so would get them killed or hurt etc?
Well then. There is no doubt that this slay was completely out of place. So it is agreed that my total is -1 slay.
Quote:It needs to be concise and quick to read, with all the main rules and scenarios covered.Being concise is not using as few words as possible, in case you don't know that: It is about how much they convey. So even if you wrote a 10k words long rules topic, as long as it would be easy to read and convey a lot of information, it would still count as 'concise', if that makes sense.
Quote:These rules have worked extremely effectively, with barely any change, for over 5 years.I don't doubt that. However, extremely effectively =/= perfectly.
And that is fine as long as these imperfections are being corrected and any abusing admins removed as soon as they're found.
Quote:Another valid thing to do for you. These problems have been addressed in the past and some new admins still fall victim to it when our internal admin chat records it. They did so without thinking. But again, it wasn't reported, so I can't address it at the time without knowing.I take it as you agreeing with me completely, therefore that is another -1 slay to my total.
Quote:I will explore avenues to fix this, if the games engine allows it.They have such a script in native on Mount&Siege. It works both ways - attackers cannot close gates and defenders cannot open them.
Quote:Nope. There is a lot of complaints on our old website, which had very positive outcomes for players. Many admins have been removed, whom I won't name, for abuse. Those complaints are still in an archive of our old forum OR they were done via a PM to me directly.Not everyone is aware of some old websites. Not everyone has been around for more than 5 months, you see.
But it's good to know. That gives me hope that my perm ban will be removed before too long, and the unfair punishments crossed out.
Quote:You, however, did spam the forum, even after being told no. We have had 1000s of posts here and old forum combined, and not one scenario played out like yours. If you can't follow a template OR simple instructions, we will dismiss you. As you clearly don't care, if you are literally deleting the template provided in the post BEFORE you even type anything. I did warn you, your account should have recieved a warning, you were also warned under the posts, but you continued. If you handled this in a manner befitting of everyone else who has used these forums, it wouldn't have been an issue. You probably would have been unmuted eventually, given time.I didn't realise it's such a big deal. To some people such templates are mere formalities and are not a must. I am one of such people.
Still. I see your point. I spammed it and posted for an unmute thrice. It won't help me to tell you that I couldn't use any commands after the mute, even when using the O chat, and that's why I wanted to be unmuted so badly. Because it is kind of inconvenient to me.
But I am not here about the mute as this was deserved. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, it may stay on my account forever. I don't really care. Not being able to use commands won't be ideal, but such is life.
So. Keep me muted till the end of time if you want. You won't do any wrong by doing so.
What I do care about are the other punishments which I don't believe should have actually been given me. Perhaps except for that 1 slay and 1 temp, although I still would like to make sure that you approve of them, considering that people place tnts all the time and so I am puzzled about whether it is allowed or not.
Quote:you might even skip over most of what I write like you did last complaint.Whatever you wrote, I read it in full. I always do.
Quote:As stated previously; you were not brushed under the rug. We had a long discussion in our internal chat, we replied to you, but you brushed our responses under the rug because it wasn't exactly as you envisioned the reply. We even took action, as stated in your complaint, to the admins saying we agree with you. But nope, you brushed it under the rug. Ironic.You told me it's trival lol. And I didn't see you taking any action so.
+ Who was that exactly, if I may know? Not Montgomery, apparently. I was convinced that all time that it was him. Just today it became clear to me, after rereading the complaint, that it wasn't him.
And now I am feeling a little bad about it because he actually did nothing to deserve my abuse and insults.
Quote:The admin guidelines are that, a guide, they tell an admin what to do given a group of scenarios.What sort of a guide doesn't make it clear that people may hold polite conversations and an admin may not punish them for it?
At any rate, because you have admitted that the admin temp banning me was wrong, that is going to be a -1 temp ban off my total, am I correct?
Quote: Some people are leniant by nature, some are heavy handed and just want the person gone. I don't know how old you are, or what your experiences are in life, but this is a common attribute you'll learn in the work place and, generally speaking, the real world. Some police men may give you a ticket, some may give you a warning. Who really knows?A workplace =/= a ticket from the police.
As far as tickets. There is always an option to refuse a ticket so that you will go to court and thus the police will have to prove it that the ticket was well-deserved.
Something like I am doing right now: The punishments are laughable, and the perm ban was the last straw, so here I am, arguing against them, trying to erase them from my name, so to say.
Quote:Yep, you were banned for using multiple accounts, to circumvent a punishment. I hope that is clear enough for you.I also hope; I hope that these are clear enough for you:
1. I got temp banned in March, and temp bans are always for an hour. I returned in May(?), so at that time the ban was over, therefore me joining the server was not me circumventing anything.
2. The account you banned is my main steam account. I lost access to it and got it back in May or at the end of April. Suffice it to say that I should have always had the mobile steam app. Have I always had it, that wouldn't have occurred. This is why I initially started to play NW on that other steam account.
3. There is no rules preventing people from using multiple accounts.
Does that make sense? Have I made myself clear?
Have you banned me for avoiding a perm ban - fair enough. That is kind of common sense. However, that is NOT what I did. My previous account is free of any bans at the time of me getting on the siege server using my main account.
Quote:Hmmm, I don't know if you're joking here. You attempted to circumvent a punishment by using another account.As I said a couple of seconds ago - no. That is not true.
Quote:You then, as the singular person attached to both accounts, are accountable for the punishments collectively as the 1, therefore, you share the punishment if you are found out.That is fair. However, and sorry if you are annoyed by my ignorance, I wasn't aware of that. There is nothing about more than 1 accounts in the rules. There is literally no way I could have known that I should perhaps tell someone that I had another account before. So don't be angry with me because it isn't my fault that the rules aren't perfect.
I mean as far I am aware you could have made up these rules a moment ago. Because you know, the rules were in place for 5 years, and there was never anything about more than 1 accounts.
Quote:You seem to say we brush things under the rug, but yet do the same yourself when replied to.Wrong.
Quote:You then spam the forums with topics, after being warned several times to stop, to be unmuted etc. You then write another complaint, basically saying we don't care and you don't think it'd do anything, but do so anyway - and I don't think anything I say will land on your ears as a positive answer to something you wish to hear.Yep, I spammed the forum. Sorry for that.
As for this topic - it is serious, as you can see, I hope.
I said that it seems like you don't give two figs, true. But as I also said, I hope that maybeeeee you will take me seriously this time. That's why I gave it a shot.
Right. And all I want is justice. Nothing less, nothing more.
Quote:This is a private server, I and many others place money and their time here on a regular basis, even after just finishing an 11 hour shift I am here typing this answer to you. How can you say I don't take this place or my players seriously?" just how utterly trivial this is " - https://nwpublic.eu/thread-206-page-2.html
Well. Not trivial considering this pm from Bethrezen:
"with the following punishments:
2114371: 3 slays, 1 temp ban
2132029: 1 slay, 1 kick, 1 temp ban, 1 mute
these amounting to a total of:
3 slays, 1 kick, 2 temp bans, 1 mute
[b]we have decided to permanently ban both."[/b]
Doesn't seem so trivial anymore, or does it?
Because if it weren't for that ban, I maybe would have gotten away without being perma banned? Who can tell?
Quote:I do not make such things public knowledge, for fear of me "punishing" the admins showing to a player that the admins are bad.You have the point. However, there are certain things that should be made public to make everyone aware.
Quote:I will say this, an announcement was made to the admins today on the situation, I will not specify, but it will help them in the future avoid such drama and consistent messages over something like this.Which time are you being so obtusely ambiguous?
Be specific for Goodness' sake.
On one hand you want me to respond to you and take everything you say on board, but what about that? Don't expect me to read your mind because I ain't no mind reader, you know? Don't take it personally if I don't understand things that are so poorly expressed because, as I said, I don't read people's minds.
(I wish I had)
Quote:You can read what I have said here and take as you will. I will, infact, even allow you to reply to me - against the wishes of many, because I believe in chances and always give chances. Do not disappoint me in return, as I have placed a great amount of time into this response.Excu-se-me? So you are doing me a favour by allowing me to reply?
Why? What are you hoping to get out of it?
And wow. I shouldn't be surprised that some admins - Ekhem Bethrezen ekhem - told you to not let me. My personal opinion is that they aren't the most intelligent lot + they don't seem to be liking me much. No offence intended.
That is just so rude of him that he should be ashamed of himself.
Well. Hope you aren't too disappointed. Oh and if you could find out about the third mute from Cookie as well as tell me why was I kicked from the server as I honestly don't remember if there was any reason for that?
So as things stand it is going to be 3-2=1 slays, 1 kick, 2-1=1 temp bans, and a mute, am I correct?
1 Slay, 1 kick, 1 temp, 1 mute. Can't say I would perma ban someone as it doesn't look like someone who is a rule breaker. Wouldn't you agree?
RE: Unban - Montgomery - 07-11-2020
No the bans and slays remain. We only have your side of the story for the slays and bans and for all I know you're lying to me. I don't take anyone at there word, not even my admins, for punishments.
Wrongful punishments do happen and if people come and talk to me about them I will all ways do everything in my power to find out what happened and right any possible wrongs but these punishments that you suddenly have a problem with went unreported for months, the people involved not even being part of the admin team anymore, thus the only available evidence is the logs and they don't show the full story only written text and so much context can be lost by only relying on the logs and so by waiting months to report these I don't have any way to find what really happened.
To clarify the chat complaint and ban one last time: You broke the rules, the admin warned you (no, I won't tell you who did it because it's not relevant) as per the guidelines, you continued and were then temp banned. Your misunderstanding our statements. The admin that banned you did nothing wrong and followed the correct method of handling the situation when I said I wouldn't have banned you it's because the spam was directed at me and I don't care enough about you spamming about me to ban for that, but as I mentioned in the complaint if you had been doing it to anyone else admin or not, I would've done exactly what the admin in that situation did.
Placing TNT is allowed WHEN it's for a purpose that benefits the team. If it doesn't benefit the team then it is a waste of build points and is punishable. The amount of TNT used is also important 2 tnt boxes can blow up a door but so can 20. The difference being that 2 TNT crates to blow up a door is allowed while 20 is not because it's a waste of build points. TNT is to be used moderately and not excessively.
You don't need to be aware of the announcement I made to my admin team, if I wanted the contents of it to be public I'd have done it publically. The announcement is designed to help prevent further situations like this and I will say nothing more on the matter.
The final word on the punishments: They will not be removed, because you waited so long to tell us about them, I have no way to verify completely who was right or wrong and so there is nothing I can do there. Nevertheless, we as a Senior team are going to go through our admin guidelines and make some changes to hopefully clarify certain things and prevent further problems.
This next part is more for the sake of community transparency rather than your benefit.
This player has caused a lot more harm then has gone noted here. Between harassing 2 members of my admin team for weeks, chat trolling to an extreme on the server itself, spamming our forums, discord and server chats and private messages endlessly, this player has shown he cannot be reasoned with and I can say with certainty that even if I gave him everything he wanted to hear today he would return with more demands, more spamming and more trolling. After weeks of dealing with this player, he has been a brick wall that has never shown the ability to understand his mistakes and change. With everything I have presented here, I think it should be sufficiently clear why we in the admin team, who give our own free time to trying to keep our server as fun and as welcoming as possible, do not want this person in our community any longer. This is why the permanent bans will stay and he will be removed from the other platforms of our community.