[Rejected] Unban

[Joshua Graham]

I read everything.*
But it's crucial that you drop that chip off your shoulder and stop accusing me of circumventing a ban.
If you keep accusing me of that, then there is basically no point in me replying to everything as in the best case scenario I will be told to f off. Because you won't care to look upon the case objectively - that is, admit that the lion's share of my punishments are unfair and thus should be basically crossed out as if I had never been given them.

+ Everything I said in the first post is true and to the best of my knowledge/memory. Do I really have to belabour the points I have already made?

But all right. I will respond because why not. I don't want you to think that I am being dismissive towards you.

No one can expect me, or anyone else, to sive through the logs daily, checking in on our 40+ admins on what they say and do. There is no way for me to react if we aren't told of it. 

Fair enough. Only when you were told about that https://nwpublic.eu/thread-206.html I kind of didn't feel as if you had done justice there. I mean you say that you agree with me, but on the other hand, you keep counting that temp against me. So? If you could make yourself clear on that I would be grateful.

It's not that I haven't heard what I wanted and that is the problem; Your answer was so ambiguous, it was almost as if you didn't want to be specific on the matter. Hence my anger.
Because in situations like this, you either approve or disapprove of them. You didn't do either.

To my eye, you tried to defend the admin. Now it turns out you had actually agreed with me. See my confusion and distrust?

The decisions made are for the best interests of the majority - not always is this for the case of the player.

Kind of ambiguous.

There will be times, like this entire scenario that has played out the past few weeks, where the player disagrees.

I believe you're referring to the mute thing.

I take it on the chin. I was toxic, the mute was deserved. Period.

I do not have the time, or effort, to come home to consistent drama over something so silly, in some cases. 

I hope that by "so silly" you don't mean a player getting perm banned?

none of these issues were ever reported to us

They are reported now.

but this is not the whole picture of why he is no longer an admin.

If he was I would immediately log out and never return. It was a pleasant surprise to find him not to be an admin anymore. That's the major reason why I stayed and played for the past month or so.

Mistakes happen, we are people, not robots. The admins are told to act upon what they see. This, however, doesn't mean they always react upon that. I can't watch them all personally so there is a degree of trust there. 

I see that. However, mistakes cannot go unnoticed, and if grave, unpunished, can they?

This isn't allowed if true; as kicking does no damage, so if they are AFK it is fine for you to kick them - if they are not inside the fort or somewhere you'd make them die.

Let's get this straight: kicking afks is allowed? Unless doing so would get them killed or hurt etc?

Well then. There is no doubt that this slay was completely out of place. So it is agreed that my total is -1 slay.

It needs to be concise and quick to read, with all the main rules and scenarios covered.

Being concise is not using as few words as possible, in case you don't know that: It is about how much they convey. So even if you wrote a 10k words long rules topic, as long as it would be easy to read and convey a lot of information, it would still count as 'concise', if that makes sense.

These rules have worked extremely effectively, with barely any change, for over 5 years.

I don't doubt that. However, extremely effectively =/= perfectly.
And that is fine as long as these imperfections are being corrected and any abusing admins removed as soon as they're found.

Another valid thing to do for you. These problems have been addressed in the past and some new admins still fall victim to it when our internal admin chat records it. They did so without thinking. But again, it wasn't reported, so I can't address it at the time without knowing. 

I take it as you agreeing with me completely, therefore that is another -1 slay to my total.

I will explore avenues to fix this, if the games engine allows it.

They have such a script in native on Mount&Siege. It works both ways - attackers cannot close gates and defenders cannot open them.

Nope. There is a lot of complaints on our old website, which had very positive outcomes for players. Many admins have been removed, whom I won't name, for abuse. Those complaints are still in an archive of our old forum OR they were done via a PM to me directly. 

Not everyone is aware of some old websites. Not everyone has been around for more than 5 months, you see.
But it's good to know. That gives me hope that my perm ban will be removed before too long, and the unfair punishments crossed out.

You, however, did spam the forum, even after being told no. We have had 1000s of posts here and old forum combined, and not one scenario played out like yours. If you can't follow a template OR simple instructions, we will dismiss you. As you clearly don't care, if you are literally deleting the template provided in the post BEFORE you even type anything. I did warn you, your account should have recieved a warning, you were also warned under the posts, but you continued. If you handled this in a manner befitting of everyone else who has used these forums, it wouldn't have been an issue. You probably would have been unmuted eventually, given time.

I didn't realise it's such a big deal. To some people such templates are mere formalities and are not a must. I am one of such people.
Still. I see your point. I spammed it and posted for an unmute thrice. It won't help me to tell you that I couldn't use any commands after the mute, even when using the O chat, and that's why I wanted to be unmuted so badly. Because it is kind of inconvenient to me.
But I am not here about the mute as this was deserved. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, it may stay on my account forever. I don't really care. Not being able to use commands won't be ideal, but such is life.
So. Keep me muted till the end of time if you want. You won't do any wrong by doing so.

What I do care about are the other punishments which I don't believe should have actually been given me. Perhaps except for that 1 slay and 1 temp, although I still would like to make sure that you approve of them, considering that people place tnts all the time and so I am puzzled about whether it is allowed or not.

you might even skip over most of what I write like you did last complaint. 

Whatever you wrote, I read it in full. I always do.

As stated previously; you were not brushed under the rug. We had a long discussion in our internal chat, we replied to you, but you brushed our responses under the rug because it wasn't exactly as you envisioned the reply. We even took action, as stated in your complaint, to the admins saying we agree with you. But nope, you brushed it under the rug. Ironic. 

You told me it's trival lol. And I didn't see you taking any action so.
+ Who was that exactly, if I may know? Not Montgomery, apparently. I was convinced that all time that it was him. Just today it became clear to me, after rereading the complaint, that it wasn't him.
And now I am feeling a little bad about it because he actually did nothing to deserve my abuse and insults.

The admin guidelines are that, a guide, they tell an admin what to do given a group of scenarios.

What sort of a guide doesn't make it clear that people may hold polite conversations and an admin may not punish them for it?
At any rate, because you have admitted that the admin temp banning me was wrong, that is going to be a -1 temp ban off my total, am I correct?

 Some people are leniant by nature, some are heavy handed and just want the person gone. I don't know how old you are, or what your experiences are in life, but this is a common attribute you'll learn in the work place and, generally speaking, the real world. Some police men may give you a ticket, some may give you a warning. Who really knows?

A workplace =/= a ticket from the police.
As far as tickets. There is always an option to refuse a ticket so that you will go to court and thus the police will have to prove it that the ticket was well-deserved.
Something like I am doing right now: The punishments are laughable, and the perm ban was the last straw, so here I am, arguing against them, trying to erase them from my name, so to say.

Yep, you were banned for using multiple accounts, to circumvent a punishment. I hope that is clear enough for you. 

I also hope; I hope that these are clear enough for you:
1. I got temp banned in March, and temp bans are always for an hour. I returned in May(?), so at that time the ban was over, therefore me joining the server was not me circumventing anything.
2. The account you banned is my main steam account. I lost access to it and got it back in May or at the end of April. Suffice it to say that I should have always had the mobile steam app. Have I always had it, that wouldn't have occurred. This is why I initially started to play NW on that other steam account.
3. There is no rules preventing people from using multiple accounts.
Does that make sense? Have I made myself clear?

Have you banned me for avoiding a perm ban - fair enough. That is kind of common sense. However, that is NOT what I did. My previous account is free of any bans at the time of me getting on the siege server using my main account.

Hmmm, I don't know if you're joking here. You attempted to circumvent a punishment by using another account.

As I said a couple of seconds ago - no. That is not true.

You then, as the singular person attached to both accounts, are accountable for the punishments collectively as the 1, therefore, you share the punishment if you are found out. 

That is fair. However, and sorry if you are annoyed by my ignorance, I wasn't aware of that. There is nothing about more than 1 accounts in the rules. There is literally no way I could have known that I should perhaps tell someone that I had another account before. So don't be angry with me because it isn't my fault that the rules aren't perfect.
I mean as far I am aware you could have made up these rules a moment ago. Because you know, the rules were in place for 5 years, and there was never anything about more than 1 accounts.

You seem to say we brush things under the rug, but yet do the same yourself when replied to.

Wrong.

You then spam the forums with topics, after being warned several times to stop, to be unmuted etc. You then write another complaint, basically saying we don't care and you don't think it'd do anything, but do so anyway - and I don't think anything I say will land on your ears as a positive answer to something you wish to hear. 

Yep, I spammed the forum. Sorry for that.
As for this topic - it is serious, as you can see, I hope.
I said that it seems like you don't give two figs, true. But as I also said, I hope that maybeeeee you will take me seriously this time. That's why I gave it a shot.
Right. And all I want is justice. Nothing less, nothing more.

This is a private server, I and many others place money and their time here on a regular basis, even after just finishing an 11 hour shift I am here typing this answer to you. How can you say I don't take this place or my players seriously?

" just how utterly trivial this is " - https://nwpublic.eu/thread-206-page-2.html
Well. Not trivial considering this pm from Bethrezen:
"with the following punishments:
2114371: 3 slays, 1 temp ban
2132029: 1 slay, 1 kick, 1 temp ban, 1 mute

these amounting to a total of:
3 slays, 1 kick, 2 temp bans, 1 mute


[b]we have decided to permanently ban both."[/b]
Doesn't seem so trivial anymore, or does it?
Because if it weren't for that ban, I maybe would have gotten away without being perma banned? Who can tell?

I do not make such things public knowledge, for fear of me "punishing" the admins showing to a player that the admins are bad.

You have the point. However, there are certain things that should be made public to make everyone aware.

I will say this, an announcement was made to the admins today on the situation, I will not specify, but it will help them in the future avoid such drama and consistent messages over something like this.

Which time are you being so obtusely ambiguous?
Be specific for Goodness' sake.
On one hand you want me to respond to you and take everything you say on board, but what about that? Don't expect me to read your mind because I ain't no mind reader, you know? Don't take it personally if I don't understand things that are so poorly expressed because, as I said, I don't read people's minds.
(I wish I had)

You can read what I have said here and take as you will. I will, infact, even allow you to reply to me - against the wishes of many, because I believe in chances and always give chances. Do not disappoint me in return, as I have placed a great amount of time into this response. 

Excu-se-me? So you are doing me a favour by allowing me to reply?
Why? What are you hoping to get out of it?
And wow. I shouldn't be surprised that some admins - Ekhem Bethrezen ekhem - told you to not let me. My personal opinion is that they aren't the most intelligent lot + they don't seem to be liking me much. No offence intended.
That is just so rude of him that he should be ashamed of himself.

Well. Hope you aren't too disappointed. Oh and if you could find out about the third mute from Cookie as well as tell me why was I kicked from the server as I honestly don't remember if there was any reason for that?


So as things stand it is going to be 3-2=1 slays, 1 kick, 2-1=1 temp bans, and a mute, am I correct?
1 Slay, 1 kick, 1 temp, 1 mute. Can't say I would perma ban someone as it doesn't look like someone who is a rule breaker. Wouldn't you agree?